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Thursday, March 23, 2006

Hamas - the best thing to happen to Israel

If anyone had a doubt that Hamas winning the elections in the PA was a good thing, we got final proof of it today.

Reuters has quoted Incoming Palestinian interior minister Saeed Seyam, chosen by Hamas to oversee three security services saying-"he will not order the arrest of militants carrying out attacks against Israel."

Finally an honest Palestinian. After years of dealing with the 2 faced Fatah and Co. Telling us one thing and then going and doing the exact opposite, we got a party that truly has no problem to say what they think.

No more games, no more fake negotiations that they never fill, no more lies, and no more fake love. They hate us, we know they hate us, they SAY they hate us. This is someone I can Deal with (and I have just the weapon to do it - F-15 anyone??).

Hamas has managed to do what no one in the Israeli Right has been able to do for years, Shut the Crazy Israeli left up. It's amazing how quiet it is around here since they have won. I don't hear the Bailin's and the Peres's whining about giving them another chance and that they really do want peace, but don't know how to show it. Bla Bla Bla... I haven't heard from Yosi Bailin in months, and we have elections next week! Oh that's not true I see is poodle like face on the posters where he has to remind us that he doesn't have an Arab Mother (but that's ok because We hope he won't make it into the Knesset!)
Shabbat Shalom

24 Comments:

At 6:00 PM, Blogger Soccer Dad said...

Isn't the problem now that the media will start referring to Fateh as "moderate?"

 
At 1:20 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Hello : I decided to drop by...; Want to take a look at my board ?

I guess I am a pro Israeli , pro palestinian fellow.

When it comes to some issues I am pro palestinian. When it comes to other issues I am pro Israeli. I am a kind of Zebra. Neither white..,nor black..., but black and white.


click here to see one

 
At 6:26 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

well.., I think hamas is better than fatah. It might seem strange that I say but that is what I think. Arafat`s fatah was hamas with a bomb in one hand an an olive branch in the other. To the international community arafat talked peace. Towards Israel Arafat threw the bomb.
At least hamas is sincere but I think they soon will learn some arafat double talk.

 
At 11:41 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Hi . Do not miss my new Blog , Evil Israel.
It is a must.

click here to take a glimpse of the Evil Israel

 
At 6:54 PM, Blogger Oleh Yahshan said...

Solitario,
I looked at your blog and I am not sure I get it. is it all sarcasim?? or is that what you really think??
Please explain.

 
At 7:07 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

david, Fatah has been called "moderate" by the world for years even-though their actions have screamed differently, because, as sol so elequently pointed out, they have been cleverly double-handed in how they speak to the world and to their own people. Those who want to claim that Hamas is now some-how magically "moderate" because they're in government dont have a leg to stand on because Hamas' public statements are exactly what they mean: They will never recognize Israel. They have no desire for peace. Their continuous aim is the destruction of the Jewish State. That distinguishes them greatly from Fatah in terms of the press giving them legitimacy and calling them "moderate". Know what I mean?
-OC

 
At 1:46 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

I never though my humor was so suble,lol. Anyway..., if you read the wholle jenin post you will find out that at the end of it I did quote a UN report that says 20 civilians died in jenin.
The fact that you were not able to figure out if in the blog I posted what I really thought or if i was sarcarm.., shows I managed to capture, the anti israeli mood.

In a blog someone does ask :

In the US you would be on poverty row unless you had a really really great job with lots of money. How can he afford to feed, cloth, and pay for their education and future? ".

My comment : The EU will feed the 20 children and when it comes to feeding.., the palestinian propaganda machine will blame Israel for the poverty.

The only way one can survive antisemitism is through humor

 
At 1:36 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

sol, I always say the same thing!! Wow!! You must stick around. It was meant to be! A person after my own heart. Good comment!
-OC

 
At 12:53 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Thank you Olah .I also agree with most of what you write. I guess I am a bit more pro palestinian than you so to speak.

 
At 1:00 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Well, you seem to very reasonable and intelligent. For that, you are very welcome.
-OC

 
At 4:19 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Thanks a lot for your words. The 2 main teams in the palestinian Israeli conflict are the pro israelis and the pro palestinians.
For pro palestinians..., the suicide bombers that explode in Israel.., do not exist.
For them palestinians are just innocent children crushed by the cruel Zionist bloodthirsty army.
On the pro Israelis.., claim IDF bullets do not hurt..., and if they do its because a suicide bomber blow himself the day before killing 15 people.
Arafat was the great manipulator.
He manipulated the international community since he promised peace to Rabin and the US.
He manipulated the palestinians .
During the Oslo years the palestinian media incited people against Israel.
Finally he manipulated the media.
I visited the site you did told me about

In a way Arafat was a demopath

Demopaths: people who use democratic language and invoke the values of civil society only when it serves their advantage /../.

Back in 1993 knowing Israel wanted peace after years of Intifada.., Arafat promised peace in exchange of land.
He got the land and delivered no peace.
Rabin was the Dupe.

" Dupes of demopaths: people who take demopaths at face value ".
He believed Arafat.

I saw some of the footage of the Al Durah.
When I saw the first 2 clips I was not aware they were part of the Al Durah clip.
When I start watching the clips and saw people with stones , soldiers with guns.., I thought to myself : JEEEZZZZ . What a mess !!!!
Somebody will get shot ".
( I am not saying the soldiers shot al Durah. I just saying that something was very wrong in all the situation)

Actually the situation was even worse than I first thought when I saw the first minutes of the clip since nearby there was a palestinian police post with armed palestinians.

The Fatah fellows that send the kids to that situation were the ones responsible.

It looks all was ready to film someone being killed and to send the footage to every corner of the earth.

(Ambulances ready.., journalists ready...).

The Israelis were ambushed - Or media ambushed to be more precise.

A stone throwing demonstration starts in order to film being hurt and shot.

I have my suspicions that more than the Sharon visit to the temple mount.., it was the Al Durah dead that sparked the Intifada.

 
At 4:59 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

second : In netzarin junction there was a palestine police station. The palestinian police was there in the first place to prevent that kind of events : Palestinian stone throwers clashing with Israeli soldiers.
The palestinian leadership was the ultimate responsable for the events.
They should have ordered their police to clear the area and they did not.
What is realy astonishing is that the US and the EU fail to see that.
By october ( if my memory does not fail ) the UN security council passed a resolution blaming Israel .
The US did not vetoed it.
The US let the Security Council to reaward the violence.
Arafat game was : Palestinians riot. Palestinians get killed . Israel blamed.
When the US blames israel ( by october 2000 ) US did Arafat game . US did rewarding the palestinian violence.
As I already said I think also sometimes Israel shoots 2 much , but when it comes to that I am not sure you will agree.

 
At 5:28 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

I did reply to a comment one fellow did in Layla blog.
You might enjoy to read it.
Actually I had told to myself that I would not post more comments in her blog since I felt I was not exactly wellcomed but I did not help making the replies you can read bellow


johnie clayton said...

Dear olah chadasha

You say - 'Human Rights Watch is by definition political'
If you look at their website you will see - Human Rights Watch's only political stance is that Human Rights should apply universally to all people irrelevant of faith or nationality or ethnic origin. tell me olah is this something you agree with or do you think you're special?

You say - "Human Rights Watch is natorious for criticizing Israeli practices and not doing the same for other countries that have long histories of human rights violations. E.g. the Palestinian Authority"
If you look at their website you will see - that it has made numerous criticisms of the PA and of Hamas and of other militant/terrorist groups operating within the occupied territories as well as some 200 other countries around the world.
/....../
3:49 AM
solitarioh2005 said...

I had promised myself and layla that I would not post more opinions here. I have my own board and thats her blog , anyway. But human rights watch is political. It does give a distorted message about the world.
The proff is simple.
In Chechnya more than 100 thousand chechens dies since 1994.
In palestine , about 5000 palestinians died at the most since 94.
For every palestinian death there are more than 20 chechens killed.
Not the least russian army used scud missiles against chechens.
Now take a look at the human rights report site and tell me how many reports you have about chechnya and how many you have about israel, Palestine.
In other words : Human Rights Watch does give people a wrong image of the world.
Judging for the number of HRW reports Israel is the most devilish country on earth but if you look at the number of victims you will find a very diferent picture.
Inside peoples mind Israel get demonized while russia killed more than 10% of the chechen population.
(And what about sudan ? )

10:53 AM

solitarioh2005 said...

If you look at the Human rights watch summary report of 2000 you will find out an incredible fact .
Not once the human rights watch does report about the indocrination of palestinian children in Fatah camps.
As does Reuters and new york times does report tens of thousands of palestinian children went to camps to learn how to handle Kalashinikovs
.

Palestinian summer camp offers the games of war





By John F. Burns, New York Times, August 2, 2000



NABLUS, West Bank -- It is summer camp time for 25,000 Palestinian teenagers, and strikingly unusual camps they are, too. As run by the men who handle psychological warfare for Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader, they allow no horsing around in the dorm, no fun-in-the-sun by a cool clear lake, no rousing sing-alongs beside a roaring campfire.
Instead, there is the chance to stage a mock kidnapping of an Israeli leader by masked Palestinian commandos, ending with the Israeli's bodyguards sprawled dead on the ground.


To use young people under 18 in these games is not human rights abuse?

But if you look at the human rights watch report you wont find any condemnation of these war games.

http://www.hrw.org/wr2k1/mideast/israel.html


Unfortunately some human rights organization got sucked up in the conflict and are not totally fair.

2- Lack on context

Besides many human rights organizations fail to give the context of the events and the reader get the impression the fault is all of israel.

During the world war II , the allied forces destryed completely the german cities but that does not mean the americans were the bad guys and the germans were the poor victims.

They were victims but in a way they were victims of their own leadership.

Human rights are part of a picture but they dont tell the wholle story.

3 Having said that Israel does human rights abuses but compared with most nations, Israel is not the evil monster the international media portrays it.

4 Why israel is portrayed in such a bad light ? For a number of reasons not the least because jornalists have free acess to palestine while in Chechnya they are allowed to enter.

There is also anti semitism.

Hundreds of thousands of sudanese died. But did the president of sudan became an hated figure ?
No.
You dont find many pictures of him online .

But Sharon became a symbol of Evil ?
Why ?

Because of his crimes?
If it were the case the Sudan President should be much hated than Sharon and it is not.

Sharon is hated because of the PLO Propaganda Machine and antisemitism from europe.

When it comes to Putin , Or the Sudaneses fellows there is no Palestinian Propaganda Machine against them and they get away with their crimes.

12:08 PM
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solitarioh2005 said...

"The Intifada, in this perspective, was an uprising against the American-Israel project. Politically, this was its ceiling; and it has been successful, proving in practice, not rhetoric, that Palestinians who choose freedom and independence are ready to pay the price."


Who wrote that ? Marwan Barghouti , in the first aniversary of the Intifada.
The intifada was an intifadah an american peace process.

After hundreds of people killled Barghouti says the intifadah was a sucess.

Great sucess indeed.

While on one hand palestinians played the role of the victims on the other leadership said the rebellion was a sucess.

There is some hypocrisy here.

The palestinian leadership does support a war and next it does point the finger at israel claiming israelis are killing them.

The first responsible for the intifadah and its consequences are Barghouty , Arafat and others.

Palestinian leadership rejected the American Israel peace project.

Arafat did also condemn the unilateral steps of Israel, the withdrawl from Gaza


" In general, Palestinians have opposed the plan, arguing that it will leave them with far less land than they believe they are entitled to. On the other hand, some Palestinian leaders are reluctant to take a stand against a plan that could lead to the rapid withdrawal of many settlements. This conundrum has led to a range of responses from Palestinians: Arafat harshly condemned the plan, but Prime Minister Ahmed Qurei said he would welcome the removal of Gaza settlements, if it were followed by the removal of those in the West Bank.".
Even the withdrawl from Gaza was criticized by arafat.

12:35 PM

 
At 5:38 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

My comments were posted in the post : "Child killer gets compensation; parents get more grief".

 
At 7:04 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Thanks for keeping us posted on that. You should know, though, that it's been admitted by members in the PA governement that Sharon had nothing to do with the Intifada. Arafat planned the Intifada before he left for Camp David to turn down the most lucrative offer ever given to the Palestinians. They used Sharon as an excuse. the visit to the Temple Mount was planned 6 weeks in adavance. It was not spontanious as many people believe. He was given full permission to visit. There is no way that the organized method in which the Intifada was carried out could have have been spontanious. You see what I mean? Sharon sparking the Intifada is a complete and utter MYTH. I hope I have shed some light on the situation for you.
-OC

 
At 5:35 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

I agree completely. I have board in wich I post interesting articles I find in the web. Just check these ones please. They are about the intifadah Al Aqsa
Click in the link and open the browser in a new window please

 
At 8:25 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

As I wrote already It is astonishing that the US and EU did not warn arafat when the clashes in the netzarin junction took place.


Sharm Al Sheik Agreement , sep 9, 1999



8. Security

The two Sides will, in accordance with the prior agreements, act to ensure the immediate, efficient and effective handling of any incident involving a threat or act of terrorism, violence or incitement, whether committed by Palestinians or Israelis. To this end, they will cooperate in the exchange of information and coordinate policies and activities. Each side shall immediately and effectively respond to the occurrence or anticipated occurrence of an act of terrorism, violence or incitement and shall take all necessary measures to prevent such an occurrence;


Open in new window to see the agreement text

The responsible was Arafat . He was the one who should have prevented the stone throwing in the first place.

It is incredible that world powers seem not to grasp this evidence...,and did blame Israel..,efectively reawarding the violence.

The more palestinian violence, the more palestinian victims, the more Israeli is condemend by world comunity.

The world comunity did reward violence and did contribute to more violence.

I think israel used too much force but that is a separate issue.
Politically the responsible is Arafat who did not tell his people Stop.
He had such obligation since he had signed a peace deal.

 
At 1:36 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Yeah, you wonder what the rest of the world is smoking...

 
At 9:23 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

lol.
Thanks for the answer.
The problem is that US believe that people are rational and peace can be attained and can be reached through negotiations.
I do not believe in it anymore.
Palestinians want Al Aqsa Mosque.., they want that Israel does recognize the right of return..,and this is not possible.
The most people can dream is armistice.., a period of calm but never peace since the palestinians are not prepared to relinquish the dream of a palestinian Al Aqsa Mosque.
That does not mean Israel should not withdrawal from most of the west bank.
I think this is ivitable but Peace will not come. A truce might follow...; Who knows...?

 
At 2:34 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

You're very right. Who knows? The palestinians have given, with their majority vote, the mandate to Hamas to carry out their aspirations of taking over all of Israel. Even if we gave them "East Jerusalem" and every single bit of the West Bank, they have made it known that that is not enough for them, and there will not be peace even then. How have they made it known? By electing Hamas. Plain and simple as that.
-OC

 
At 4:13 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Thanks a lot for your answer.
At least in 2000 palestinians and Israelis did not agree when it come to the question of the refugees and jerusalem.
As i wrote already , while watching some raw footage of the netzarim junction.., i felt the riots were an ambush to Israel.
The cameras were ready..., all that was needed was a martyr, a palestinian killed.
Before the end of the day the al dura video was ready .
The wholle story in unbelievable.
Israel has hundreds of intelligence officers but the authorities did not realize the wholle situation of kids throwing stones was a media ambush.
The objective of Arafat was that someone get killed .
The same pattern Stones and shooting did repeat itself the day before .

September 29:

China news .

" after the prayers, the Palestinians began hurling stones at the Israelis soldiers posted near the site and the Jews who are praying at the nearby Western Wall, the only relics of the Jewish Temple, ahead of Friday afternoon's Jewish New Year.

The Israeli soldiers reportedly fired live round at the crowd, leaving five Palestinians killed and hundreds more injured ".

Please note that such incident is exactly the same kind of incident that happen in Netzarin, the day after.

Stones, shooting, killed.

2 When it comes to al dura.., all is a big mistery, still.
The Israeli authorities do not want to re open the case, The authorities fear that would only inflame even more the arab world.

Therefore israeli authorities dont want to talk much about it..

When it comes to the PA , they dont want to talk about it either so the mistery probably will never be solved.

I am convinced the wholle scene was staged.

But did al dura died ?
Did the father get wounded ?

Why the footage of the video stops abruptly ?

Why one in the video can`t see an ambulance arriving and picking al dura and father ?
In other cases of shootings or fake shootings an ambulance was always ready to pick the wounded .

Why not in al duras case ?

 
At 5:15 PM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

From my point of view arafat was diabolical.
He started the Intifadah but managed to blame Israel at the eyes of world opinion.
Friday 29 , palestinian Worshippers stone israelis near the wailling wall . Israeli police intervene there was shooting and 5 palestinians die.
That is exactly what Arafat wanted.
He needed that to inflame the palestinian street.

After the 5 palestinians killed ..., the palestinians immediately notified the US of the israeli agression , and made the next diabolical move.

Arafat declared a general strike for the next day totaly aware that such general strike would send to the streets thousands of people demonstrating.


You see ?

In the very day Arafat declared a general strike for the next day knowing well what the consequences would be...,(more clashes) he declared Israel should stop " the provocations " when it was himself , when it was Arafat who was provoking Israel.

That day the clashes had started in the temple because palestinians start throwsing stones at israelis , and Arafat was declaring a general strike for the next day knowing well what the consequences would be.


Arafat's Adviser Holds Israel Responsible for Clashes
The Palestinian National Authority (PNA) held Israeli government responsible for recent provocations and urged it to stop the bloodshed in the Noble Sanctuary, known as Temple Mount to Jews.

Nabil Abu-Rudeinah, adviser to Palestinian President Yasser Arafat, said "upon Arafat's instructions we asked the Israeli government to pull its troops immediately from the Noble Sanctuary and to order the police to stop provocations."

He said Israel should bear the responsibility for the recent violent clashes in the holy city.

Five Palestinians have been killed and over 200 others injured in bloody clashes with Israeli soldiers in the religious compound in the walled Old City of East Jerusalem Friday.

The Palestinian leadership in its weekly meeting Friday night declared tomorrow a day of mourning for those killed and called for a general strike to protest Israeli violence.

The PNA notified the U.S. Administration on the provocation and aggression committed by the Israeli government and army against the Palestinian citizens starting with the visit by right-wing Likud leader Ariel Sharon to the holy Muslim sites Thursday, Abu-Rudeinah added.

Israeli government is held responsible for Sharon's visit which violated the Muslim sanctities, Abu-Rudeinah pointed out. "Sharon should be forced to observe his limits, something that Israeli

government did not do," he said.

"We are facing a great chaos and a religious war ignited by Sharon and the extremist quarters in Israel. Israeli government must shoulder immediately its responsibility and pull its troops out, stop provocations and return the situation to normalcy," he added.

Arafat is closely following up the situation, he said, noting that there are Jewish extremists who are trying to sabotage the peace process.

Contacts are underway between the PNA and the United States on the one hand and the PNA and Israel on the other in an effort to find a way out of the stalemate of the peace process. There are some Israeli quarters which try to destabilize the Palestinian security in order to influence the peace talks, Abu-Rudeinah claimed.".

You see ?

1- Fatah provoked Israel throwing stones at the temple mount.

But immediately they say that was israel that should stop the provocation !!!!

Not only Fatah started the clashes that Friday but they declare a day off for saturday.

Saturday was the day of Al Dura dead.

Besides Al Dura more people get killed and the Intifada grew wich was exactly what arafat wanted.

Arafat had all prepared to start the intifadah , even pallywood was prepared to make the video that would set alight the palestinian street.

All the plan worked without flaws.
Later in October 2000 the security council , us included, would blame israel.

Arafat was diabolical.

 
At 5:27 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

sol, you are absolutely correct and, I don't want to sound condescending in the least bit, but you are so well informed. I'm telling you, you are more knowledgeable than most people. You're extremely thorough in your answers and research. It's so refreshing to be acquainted with a person like you. You're not blinded by any of the propaganda. You make sure to dig through all the crap and come out with the raw truth. The truth that most people don't want to hear because it's uncomfortable to feel that the under-dog isn't really the "victim" you thought they were. That's why most people will just sit comfortable in their propaganda and close themselves off to anything that coincides with what they think the reality is or should be. Keep doing what you're doing. I think we can really reach people. You're just amazing. Thank you for coming to our blog. It's a joy to have you comment here. And, if you would ever like to write a guest post, I would be more than happy to have you contribute. It would be an honor.
-OC

 
At 8:32 AM, Blogger solitarioh2005 said...

Once again I do thank You. I wish my english were better. For 2 years I did post in a portuguese message board but I was almost the only pro Israeli guy in the board. My posts made people crazy , so I got hammered..,insulted by almost everyone. ( Peter worst than hitler, some said )
People hated my posts..,since somehow I managed to show the Arafat was not the victim he claimed to be and they failed to proove I was wrong.
Human beings hate to see their long held ideas challenged or threatened.
Israel is not free from guilt.
In the video pallywood you can see what looks like a israeli bullet hiting the ground only a few feet away from palestinian fellows evacuating a guy.

Open in new window to see the picture

Neither side is completely innocent but Arafat was smarter and managed to provoke Israel in order to convince the world that troops should be sent to the west bank in order to save the palestinians from the Israeli claws.

Arafat had a script (As I wrote already ).

In that script the role of the palestinians was to be the victims that the un would save sending troops to the west bank.

In short : I have my own opinions and do not completely identify with Israeli rifgr opinions..,or pro palestinian ones.

When it comes to Hamira Ass she is too much pro palestinian and failed to see Arafat role in the events, by instance.

 

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