Seek-info.com
In response to a post by fellow blogger's comments and basis for those comments on the site, Seek-info.com, I have decided to make a comment that responded in kind to the absolute absurdity by which this person actually relies on this site as a serious source in order to make certain "conlusions" about Israel. He says that his opinions are based on facts, and he sites this site to support his claims. I urge you to take a look at the site and see what it's all about. However, to give you a hint as to what the site professes, here is a comment that I left on this person's website. I am revealing this comment because I believe that everyone deserves to understand where another person's view is coming from, especially when they make vitrulent comments that make grandiose statements that require serious inquiry into the source of those allegations. That is why I have decided to reprint the comment. If it gets a negative back-lash, it is of no concern of mine. I refuse to be bullied by people who claim that sources for their facts are authentic and academically seriously when in fact they are anything but, and are nothing more than anti-semitic propaganda sources. For this reason, here is the comment:
Umar, I have carefully perused through the sites, mainly seek-info.com, that you use to prove the Zionist corruption and violence and tyranny against the Palestinians and the rest of the world. After close examination, I have come to the conclusion that you are totally 100% correct in your evaluations. After your latest post on my blog, I consulted with my fellow Elders, and we have come to the conclusion that you know too much. You are now a threat to our wold dominating plans. Therefore, we have decided that in order to keep our secrets intact, we have put a deletion order out on you. Know that we are watching you at all times. We know everything that you are doing. We are not alone. Just know this: WE ARE WATCHING YOU. Be forewarned.
Sincerely,
Member #85732; Elders of Zion
posted by Olah Chadasha @ 4/26/2006 04:50:00 PM
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31 Comments:
you're a memeber of the elders of zion!? can you get me in?
Only if you know the Secret Password!
Oh no, Im scared.
All I did was go to google and search 'Israeli Massacres' hahahah, you lot are funny!
So you are watching me eh?? Wow, amazing, Im shocked. Cannot believe it. I've never heard of Seek-Info myself, got onto it through Google.
Oh wel, who is this Eleders of the Zion???
Umar, thank you very much. You made my point for me and have revealed the source of your lies and what type of person you are. You like up a term such as " Israel massacres" and site the first 2 sources you find that back up your preconceieved notion of what the "truth" is. You have no idea whether these sites and sources are reliable or what they are, but you use them anyway. Then, you insist in 3 or 4 different posts that what you sited, even-though you admit you know nothing about the sites you're using to back your words up, is the truth and the facts and that I have the purden of proof to show you're wrong. That's just unbelievable. It's pathetically funny. As I said before, I don't have to do anything to refute and expose your lies. You do it very well on your own. Thank you very much.
-OC
Did I say I agree with these sites. You are one of the most ignorant Israeli's out there.
FACT is, Israeli's have killed many Palestinians, and FACT is, wrongfully, the Palestinians have also done the same. But I think it is wrong..
But when you talk, you never admit to what Israel has done.. That site might be wrong, but this stuff is in history now, recorded, like your Holocaust. I never deny that, so you shouldn'r deny all this.
And your comment on my blog is utter rubbish. I don't swear at or hate Israeli/Jew people. BUT when you people deny what your country has done, it's insulting to humanity. My freedom of speech can take me where-ever I want, but I control myself to stay in the limits.
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OC: calm, down, man. i read what umar wrote and i laughed, i thought he was funny. and i read what you wrote, and you totally attacked him for no reason.
i look up "israel massacre" all the time on google, that doesn't make me a terrorist.
as for the password for elders of zion... is it fhqwhgads?
menachem: You sir make me laugh as well. Great profile. I'm hoping you are not as extreme right wing as your good friend Olah.
Good point.
menachem ,
I will have to consult with the others and get back to you on that :>
yeah, she's a nut. most americans who move to israel are. i'm no exception, except that i express it as being extreme left wing in relation to my social group, which puts me at moderate right wing in the real world.
is there a secret handshake, OY?
Umar, you are, to put it simply, absolutely pathetic in your attempts to back track, lie, and subvert. You admitted that you used these website, which you don't even anything about, to back up your "facts". Therefore, you said repeatedly, when you urged that these sites you gave backed up your comments, that you agreed with what they had to say. Don't try and dig yourself out of the hole you created for yourself, because you're only making yourself look more foolish. I don't have to admit anything because you haven't presented any real facts with any real legitimate sources to back them up. When you come here with something that has a real legitimate source to back it up, then I will refute what you have to say. Until then, I have no reason to admit or comment on any atrocity or "fact" that you bring forth being that they're based on nothing more than anti-semitic or illegitmate sources, like seek-info.com and Wikipedia. So, stuff your moral high horse, because you have nothing to stand on but a shaking peg, at best, and anti-semitic lies that you agree with, at worst.
Menachem, you already know it...
-OC
OC, maybe i'm missing something here. you posted your comment on a blog about how sad it is that mosques are so empty during the week, and packed full on friday. i thought it was a nice post, and really void of anything at all about judaism.
there are so many extremist muslims out there, why would you pick a fight with this guy?
Menachem, it was done as a sarcastic rouse to show what kind of sites he's been using to back up his "facts". Why would I have to write something having to do with Judaism? I'm not trying to pick a fight with this guy. I simply welcome diverse views on the blog. This guy is doing all the damage on his own. I haven't had to do anything. Also, his blog isn't just about that. There are posts about Israel. Did you look for them? I am just pointing that out. But, wait, are you calling umar an extremist muslim?
-OC
Olah, have u backed up your comments. NO! you come up with stuff like The Sabra and Shatil massacre has nothing to do with Israel and there was another Massacre.. Where is your source. That crappy degree of yours.
I might be on a shaky peg.. but so are you. Becuase I might have given evidence. or tried. You HAVEN'T. So stop going on about your anti-palestine rubbish.
OC, give me a quote, from the post that you put your comment on, that is racist or inflammitory in any way. if he has any other posts that are so terrible, post your comments on those, and link to them in your blog.
and saying israel is responsible for sabra and shatila isn't a blood libel, before you quote from that one. i, for one, believe that israel acted honorably under the circumstance, and that the entire episode has been twistd out of proportion by those who hate jews. but that doesn't prevent me from seeing that there are other viewpoints out there, from people who might till be legitimately pissed off.
i'm waiting for your evidence against umar
Menachem, again, I already stated my comment didn't have anything to with any of his posts. I was simply making a comment based on statements that he made here. I didn't even read the post that I put the comment on. That wasn't the point. What's so hard to understand? My dear Menachem, I have absolutely no problem with people who have differing points of view, but when they're based on lies and illegitimate sources, they're not legitimate opposing views. Umar also doesn't simply believe that Israel had something to do with Sabra and Shatila, he believes that they actually physically carried out the massacres. When I present clear legitimately sited evidence to the contrary, he called me a liar, that I was making up "rubbish", and I fit into this category: (Paraphrased)
"My teacher, who is Chrisitian, said that no Israeli/Jew ever admits to any wrong doing. I thought this was a myth, but you fit into that category."
That's not a racist or inflammatory comment? Maybe, you should do a little bit more looking before you step up to defend some-one.
-OC
That is a comment about you Olah, and I said it here as well. The problem was, you never game me the evidence and just kept saying stuff. Now you presented me with some sources and I'll be analysing them.
I can also say your lying, but you have the power here. Sabra and Shatila was ordered and backed by Israel. Despite that, you say an Israeli has never killed an Arab.. that is just plain denial, I mean why would there be violence if only Palestinians did everything, Israel has also played its part.
umar, you're going to have a very difficualt time backing up what you just said here. "Sabra and Shatila was ordered and backed by israel." we neither ordered it, nor backed it. it took place in a zone of our control, which makes us responsible, and those responsible were punished.
OC: please quote (cut and paste) from any point in his blog that warrented the comment you wrote for him. quoting from his post of April 26 does not account for your comment of April 21st. in addition, please show me any, ANY connection between this guy and seekinfo.com. all you have to do is quote and post a link.
Side note: when he wrote what he said his teacher said, i saw nothing wrong. He took an obviously racist comment that he was taught in school, and didn't believe it. it wasn't until you, OC, came along, that he saw some truth in it when pertaining to you.
Menachem, go see my "Another one Bites the Dust" post to see his seek-info.com references and comments. Again, it seems you're not really grasping the point here. I said that this comment had nothing to do with his blog or the post it was put on, but comments he has made here. Get it now?
Umar, you can say that I'm lying, but I have used legitimate academic sources to back up my claims. All you stand behind is Wikipedia and seek-info.com. That doesn't really give you the moral high-ground here. Nor does it volley any favor that would lead any-one of any moderate intelligence to say that what you've been saying has any semblence of validity to it.
-OC
OC: I don't really see the pt of proving anything to this guy. I mean, he's so repulsively misinformed and so brainwashed by his superiors at the Islamic Institute Against the Elders of Zion that it makes you look silly even arguing with him. He, along with Menachem fit into the same exact category, though: historical saboteours a.k.a. revisional historians. Menachem puts the blame on Sabra & Shatilla on extreme factions within the Israeli government, which is nonsense(and I don't have neither the time nor the energy to prove you wrong, my dear Oslo-ist) while Umar is a point-blank idiot, calling you a racist and so forth and so on...
OC: give it up! It turns out The All-Consuming Elders of Zion have a hold over us as well!
ok, i first begged for an explanation on the 11th comment on this post, and i finally recieved an answer on the 23rd. thank you, OC. thank you regreg for calling me a historical saboteour, revisional historian, and Oslo-ist. I've never been called a single one of those before.
Umar: let's start with you. know that i disagree with you. i've made that clear on your blog. i do like your blog though, and i have to apologize for OC's comment's on it. they were inflammatory, and did nothing to enhance the debate. we need more muslims like you, who are willing to talk and have civilized debate.
OC: you need to calm down. fight facts with facts. write out an argument that addresses each and every one of Umar's points, and it'll be easy. stop the name calling, and stop the sarcastic Elder comments on his blog. Umar is a reasonable guy, and can be persuaded by arguemnt. he obviously doesn't absorb every little peice of propaganda he's fed, and neither should you.
regreg, you have contributed nothing but insults. i have no way of responding to you except by this: you are an asshole.
menachem: why thank you, good sir. that is a complement coming from an arab-lover such as yourself; and as for your long-forgotten friend(may he never rest in peace):
חבר:אני כבר מזמן שכחתי אותך
Shabbat shalom, OC and OY, Greg.
My main point is to debate and Olah is just like 'im right, your wrong' How can that be a debate if you just carry on with your view. I respect you Menachem, we need to debate peacefully, NOT name-callin.
Im a 22 year old, British Citizen, born in the U.K and of Pakistani origin, but I only came here to give my view.. and in contract, Olah is just dismissing me. I respect your views, but you need to respect mine!
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Regreg: i appreciate the blurb on your site, but you should at least link to me. and i don't get a shabbat shalom!?
as for calling me a deluded israeli hard-core lefty (http://hearoisrael.blogspot.com/ see the sidebar), what have i said here that you can possibly base that on? really, the only opinion i've expressed here are some passing comments on sabra shatila, and even in that i've put myself to the right of the Kahan Commission. (a commission of inquiry set up by menachem begin. you have a picture of him on your blog.)
Menachem, I will not take the points on one by one because there are none. If you bothered to look up his comments in the post I have aforementioned, you would see that he based his claims on illegitimate sources. To try and debate that would be like attempting to debate some-one who's views come from the National Alliance or David Duke's website. There's no point. When some-one says that my sources for refuting his beliefs on Sabra and Shatila cannot be legitimate because they're all "American" sources, and the US is the greates supporter of Israel, how is that a sensible and rational debate? Hmmm? You think this person's reasonable. Based on what? Every comment that this person has made denotes anything but reason and logic.
Umar, sir, again, I don't have to respect your views, based on what you stand them on. Your sources are illegitimate. They are not based on factuary and any sort of convergence of evidence and documentation, the basic formulation for factually historical conclusions. You dismiss any sources that you believe is in conspritorial "cahoots" with Israel. It's as if you're saying that I have to respect your opinion simply because you have one, even-though it's not based on anything substantial. If you came here and said you've seen pictures that Auscwitz had a soccer field, so it wasn't so bad, then cited a seek-info.com site that I would have to respect your view on the matter? Absolutely not. It's great that you have an opinion. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry's sister has an opinion. That doesn't mean that each of their opinions are equally valid or even equally deserving to be respected as legitimate. Like yours. Again, and this is the last I will say this, if you were to come, make a claim, and cited a legitimate source, I will answer your view, and respect your opinion. Until then, there is no opinion to accept.
Greg, I will very greatly taken your advisement under consideration. Thanks.
-OC
Menachem: I made my comment in a state I often find myself in these days-of extreme and utter anger. I apologize and ask of you to forgive me. Please check out my blog for the changes I've made since getting your comment.
OC: please delete my last comment on your blog. I apologize for my rude, childish behavior and ask for kapara from both you and Menachem. Sorry:)
Well if that is your attitude, then I won't respoect your point of view either as your sources are also illegitimate because all of them are written by American/Jewish people who are obviously going to be all Pro Israel. And they will also be citing their own opinion. Like this, we will carry on fighting over sources.
No point.
olah
well done.
i believe that you are on to something. how 'bout a broader campaign of elder comment posting targeting others that we need to delete?
just a suggestion.
Dry Bones
Israel's Political Comic Strip Since 1973
Member #76663; Elders of Zion
Yaakov:
As someone who's been at the receiving end of political comment spam, aimed at taking my blog down, this doesn't sound funny to me in the slightest.
And be careful: Blogger has become very adept at detecting comment spammers: you may end up with no blog yourself...
gert, you obviously have no idea who Dry Bones is, and I respectfully ask you not to make any attempts at insulting him. Thank you for attempting to stand up for me, but Dry Bones is not a comment spammer. His comments are very very welcomed here, as well as yours.
Umar, one question for you. Does this mean you consider any Jewish/American source that is Pro-Palestinian illegitimate also?
-OC
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