Israeli soldier commits suicide and leave many questions
I will start by pointing out my personal interest in this issue due to the fact that the Soldier was from Netzach Yehuda (Nachal Charedi), where I spent the better of my last 2 years in the Army. But other than that after checking into the story a little more all sorts of questions start rising out of this story. Now those of you who know me (Via the Blog world) know that I am the last person on earth to follow conspiracy theories, nor do I think that We are dealing with one here, but none the less this is a strange one.
I will ad one more Disclaimer that some of the Info I am giving here I got 2nd Hand, with a lot of rumors in the back round, I tried to make as much order of it as I could but in no way should this be taken as 100% correct factually (Yet). Some of the stuff can be confirmed Via the Press although I have info that contradicts what the Media is writing. I am also trying to confirm/deny some of the information at this time. I will also add, that nothing in what I am telling here, as far as I know, is in any way giving any secrets Military or otherwise.
So, for those of you who didn't hear, and I am guessing there are a few since I only heard about it today, A 28 year old soldier who came from the U.S. and was 2 weeks into basic training, was found dead in a mosque in a town near Schem, Most likely Tyaseer. The soldier was sent with 3 of his friends to be part of an exercise of for the Veteran unites and play the "enemy" in and Urban fighting exercise. The place where the exercise took place was in the Chamam el-Maliach (former Paratrooper base - taken over by N"Y). For those of you who don't know where that is (lucky you) it is between Schem and Jenin (closer to Schem).
The soldier was, as far as I know, and there are different reports on this, replaced from the Radio listening post, and said that he was going to the Bathroom (in the field). This is where the story gets strange since we don't really know what happened. There was a report that he had gone missing, and a search team was put together to find him. The next thing I know is that the search teams heard shooting from the town and ran to the place. They closed in on the mosque, where they eventually found the Soldier. They also found 70 gunshot holes in the walls of the mosque. The soldier was in the mosque and the bullet holes were on the inside.
Ok that is the story as it's being told, more or less. Now the interesting parts:
1. There was a report that the soldier was Kidnapped when they put the search team together, although no report on that has been placed in any paper (Yediot has something on it today - in passing), There was also a report that there were abuse marks on him, that later disappeared from the reports.
2. If the soldier got lost, why would he go INTO a Palestinian village?? and if so why go all the way to the mosque? Without knowing exactly where it is I am sure it's not in the outskirts of the town. Also how did he manage to get all the way to the mosque without ANYONE doing ANYTHING to him?
3. This also raises questions on the claim that he wanted to go on a rampage against the Palestinians, Why would he go all the way to the mosque and shoot it FROM THE INSIDE if all he wanted to do is go and kill people?? He could have done it from the out side as well.
4. If he was going to commit suicide why did he go all the way to the Arab village?? couldn't he just shoot himself in the field or on base (like most soldiers do??).
But the biggest question of all, one that I have not been able to come up with any decent answer to is this: How is it that an ISRAELI soldier walks into a mosque, shoots it up, kills himself in it, then the Army comes in, Storms the mosque and takes it over while they are doing CPR on the soldier, AND NOT ONE RESPONSE IN THE ARAB WORLD?? May I remind you that a few years ago, a MK went up to a temple mount and that sparked an intifada. And about 6 months ago a couple went into a church in Nazareth lighting fire crackers and nearly sparked a war! Yet this got almost no coverage and No response from ANYONE!!!
I will ad one more Disclaimer that some of the Info I am giving here I got 2nd Hand, with a lot of rumors in the back round, I tried to make as much order of it as I could but in no way should this be taken as 100% correct factually (Yet). Some of the stuff can be confirmed Via the Press although I have info that contradicts what the Media is writing. I am also trying to confirm/deny some of the information at this time. I will also add, that nothing in what I am telling here, as far as I know, is in any way giving any secrets Military or otherwise.
So, for those of you who didn't hear, and I am guessing there are a few since I only heard about it today, A 28 year old soldier who came from the U.S. and was 2 weeks into basic training, was found dead in a mosque in a town near Schem, Most likely Tyaseer. The soldier was sent with 3 of his friends to be part of an exercise of for the Veteran unites and play the "enemy" in and Urban fighting exercise. The place where the exercise took place was in the Chamam el-Maliach (former Paratrooper base - taken over by N"Y). For those of you who don't know where that is (lucky you) it is between Schem and Jenin (closer to Schem).
The soldier was, as far as I know, and there are different reports on this, replaced from the Radio listening post, and said that he was going to the Bathroom (in the field). This is where the story gets strange since we don't really know what happened. There was a report that he had gone missing, and a search team was put together to find him. The next thing I know is that the search teams heard shooting from the town and ran to the place. They closed in on the mosque, where they eventually found the Soldier. They also found 70 gunshot holes in the walls of the mosque. The soldier was in the mosque and the bullet holes were on the inside.
Ok that is the story as it's being told, more or less. Now the interesting parts:
1. There was a report that the soldier was Kidnapped when they put the search team together, although no report on that has been placed in any paper (Yediot has something on it today - in passing), There was also a report that there were abuse marks on him, that later disappeared from the reports.
2. If the soldier got lost, why would he go INTO a Palestinian village?? and if so why go all the way to the mosque? Without knowing exactly where it is I am sure it's not in the outskirts of the town. Also how did he manage to get all the way to the mosque without ANYONE doing ANYTHING to him?
3. This also raises questions on the claim that he wanted to go on a rampage against the Palestinians, Why would he go all the way to the mosque and shoot it FROM THE INSIDE if all he wanted to do is go and kill people?? He could have done it from the out side as well.
4. If he was going to commit suicide why did he go all the way to the Arab village?? couldn't he just shoot himself in the field or on base (like most soldiers do??).
But the biggest question of all, one that I have not been able to come up with any decent answer to is this: How is it that an ISRAELI soldier walks into a mosque, shoots it up, kills himself in it, then the Army comes in, Storms the mosque and takes it over while they are doing CPR on the soldier, AND NOT ONE RESPONSE IN THE ARAB WORLD?? May I remind you that a few years ago, a MK went up to a temple mount and that sparked an intifada. And about 6 months ago a couple went into a church in Nazareth lighting fire crackers and nearly sparked a war! Yet this got almost no coverage and No response from ANYONE!!!
posted by Oleh Yahshan @ 6/08/2006 05:32:00 PM
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the palestine news agency reported that he fired shots at random houses before entering the mosque
http://english.wafa.ps/body.asp?id=6493
I smell a rat. I have no clue as to what really happened but there's deffinately a coverup(not the first and not the last) being pulled by the IDF and a number of Arabs.
mobius, if that were true, why was there no response from the Palestinians?!?
-OC
This indeed is very strange. I don't believe that he killed himself... and if he did, I think forensics should be able to prove it, right?
This reminds me of incident that happened on my base and was later widely publisized in the press. 1997, soldier Guy Hever goes from a post to a bathroom (or some such) and never gets there. I have a feeling that if not for the promptness of the search party we would have another "mysterious dissapearence" case on our hands.
irina, not necessarily. There are situations where a death's cause is not clear. However, there are tell-tale signs that forensics should be able to use to narrow down the possibilities. One might think that using a machine gun is a bit of a difficult weapon with which to kill yourself.
-OC
so many questions, so few answers.. I doubt we will ever see the truth about this story. It wil; soon be buried and forgotten and only remembered as an attempted massacre by an Israeli on Arab civilians...
I hadn't heard all the details you gave, but generally just 2 weeks after starting basic training, the soldiers don't have too much freedom.
Fishy, rotten fish for sure.
You made good points, but lets not go into them and see what the investigations of the IDF will end up with.
The description you provided supports that the soldier wanted to commit suicide for some reason or another. If he wanted to kill Arabs he would have gone to a market, or somewhere else inside that village.
Reports saying that the soldier might have been kidnapped ... whose reports are these ? Nothing suppports that.
" Raffi g " comment is really interesting !
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