Holocaust Denial In The Middle-East: Part One
This is the first in a series of compilations showing the prevelance and main-stream acceptance of holocaust denial/"myth" that occurs throughout the Arab/Muslim Middle East. The first part includes that Palestinian Authority and Lebanon.
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posted by Olah Chadasha @ 8/20/2006 06:14:00 PM
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I've given up emailing you guys b/s you've made it perfectly clear that while we both live in Israel you have no intentions of getting in touch. I only ask of one thing and I ask it of OY: please start posting on "Hope". I know you've been busy posting here. If you gave maybe half a minute of your time to the afformentioned project maybe we'd benefit from your presense.
No offense intended, Greg/Eitan.
greg, the husband is on Reserve Duty right now. He's not around, and he's very busy right now. No offense intended, but it would have been nice for you to give us the benefit of the doubt before you came and posted this on the site. You could have emailed us. We would have answered you. I'm very upset that you put this comment on before asking if something was happening. This was simply uncalled for.
-OC
I really hate the way Arabic sounds.
It's the news German. If you know what I mean...
-OC
Olah: I'm sorry I did that.It was uncalled for and I apologize.
The holocaust denying that is shown in the video is disgusting and inexcusable.
But calling Arabic the "new German" is also stupid and racist. You're lumping all Arab speakers together and associate them with fascism. And today Germans aren't fascists either, even in Nazi Germany not all were fascists, there was a good deal of internal resistance.
And there is no shortage of young Israelis who deny that there is such a thing as the Palestinian people: that too is a reprehensible form of denial...
greg, thank you, and I look forward to hearing from you so we can talk more about this.
gert, welcome back. We've missed you. gert, I believe we've already gone into this discussion. Yes, not all Arabs are terrorists. Yes, not all Arabs are Muslims, but it's not my fault that Islam and Arabic has been hijacked by terrorists to the point where the language sounds as evil as German does, because of its history.
Secondly, I don't know how you can define a person as racist simply for thinking a language sounds a certain way. That's pretty ridiculous, and if you can find a dictionary where not liking the way a language defines some-one as racist.
Thirdly, you can tell me that 9 out of 10 Germans resisted Nazism, it still wouldn't change how I felt about the language, and I speak it, and my mother is German. Besides that, please define a "good deal". Is this in the same range of how many people you claim died from the Dresden bombings, because those numbers were off by, well, a lot, to say the least? So, I would really like for you to go in a bit more depth on what a "good deal" of Germans were in resistance means.
Finally, it is NOT denial to say that there is no such thing as Palestinians, because it is very much technically true. The term, Palestinians, to describe Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza and "refugees" only started in the late 1960 when Yasser Arafat formed the PLO. Again, there is not denying history. There has never been an independent Palestinian state, and Arabs living in The British Mandate of Palestine never called themselves Palestinians. In fact, they saw themselves as being part of Pan-Syria. You really need to learn your history before you call people names and accuse them of "reprehensible" behavior. Arabs living in the Mandate actually abhorred being called Palestinians. The only people ever called Palestinians were the JEWS. It's irreversible for Palestinians to be called Palestinians now, that's true. But, it's not a "reprehensible form of denial" to say that there is not such thing as a Palestinians people, because it is actually very much TRUE. I've taken many "Palestinian" history classes, and I've learned a lot about this. What readings and research have you done to back up your accusations? The Guardian and BBC?
-OC
As always you twist my words and get all "technical".
Where you said "It's the new German. If you know what I mean...", the implication was very clear. How can you now deny this?
As regards the Palestinians, for all I care call them the Bantustanians: it's not what they were called that matters. What matters is that they, together with a minority of indigenous Jews lived in the land that later became the British Mandate of Palestine, prior to the creation of Israel. These Jews would have considered themselves, well, Jews or perhaps Israelites but certainly not Israelis since there was no Israel, as a Nation State, prior to 1948.
Let me ask you a very simply question: how many Arabs and Jews lived in Palestine in 1900? Try and answer honestly.
What do you mean by "technical"? How do I get "technical"? I made very clear what my implication was in my answer to you. I am not "denying" it. Read my answer again.
Yes, not all Arabs are Muslims, but it's not my fault that Islam and Arabic has been hijacked by terrorists to the point where the language sounds as evil as German does, because of its history.
Secondly, I don't know how you can define a person as racist simply for thinking a language sounds a certain way. That's pretty ridiculous, and if you can find a dictionary where not liking the way a language defines some-one as racist.
Thirdly, you can tell me that 9 out of 10 Germans resisted Nazism, it still wouldn't change how I felt about the language, and I speak it, and my mother is German.
What am I missing here? How is my answer not an honest response of my feelings??? What are YOU insinuating that I am further implying that I didn't answer? What exactly am I DENYING? If you would like to provide examples of WHY I feel that way, just please ask, and I will provide an ample amount.
Sir, what is the point of your question? Go look and see the history of the 4 Waves of Aliyah. Go and see Mark Twain's comments when he visited the area in 1919. In fact, more Arabs lived in what is now Jordan in 1900 than they lived in what is now Israel. In fact, the influxes of Arabs into what was left of The British Mandate did not beging until the late 1920s AFTER the Jews had learned and figured out ways to irrigate what the Arabs saw as "devil" land and unihabitable and AFTER the Jews had figured out how to successfully drain malaria filled swamps and lakes.
Let me ask you a question and try and answer honestly, because you've never actually answered this when asked before. What do you know about the history of this region? Please tell me what books and research you have done, besides the mainstream media, that you can come here and opine the way you do. You accuse other people and myself of being a "certain kind of 'extremist'", but you give no references to what you say. You never told me where you got the 300,000 number on the amount of people killed by the bombings of Dresden. From where do you get your information to accuse people of "denial"? Can you tell me?
-OC
Olah:
Yours is a classical strategy of denying the Palestinian people exist. This way you don't have to feel guilty about the occupation.
There's only one little snake in the grass: modern Israeli historians and historiographers like Benny Morris and Efraim Karsh conclusively show that the theory of "empty Palestine" is quatch and that throughout most of the early 1900s Arabs and Jews lived on that land together. That's why it should now be shared, not completely colonised by Israel.
The Arabs will never accept this and it will be a constant cause of war and misery for both sides. That's what you want? Or do you have a magic wand to magically make those "Pseudostinians" dissapear? Get real...
It's always lovely to see a BRITISH person use the word "colonization" to describe another country. It's as untrue as it is laughable. You know what? You, like your pal osaid, never answer any questions posed back at you. You didn't answer my question, I'm not answering anything more you have to write. You're misquoting Benny Morris as many left-winger are oft to do. So, we're done until you recipricate in the conversation. I will NOT allow myself to be atacked and accused of things when you don't give anything back but more accusations. So, thanks for playing. If you want to stay in the game, you'll start playing fair.
-OC
How childish...
OK, gert. Good response. It's extremely childish and immature that you won't answer any questions asked of you, but you feel offended and righteous when I say I won't answer any more attacks and accusations and questions from you until you play fair and answer mine. You've been coming here long enough. It's time you played fair. If playing fair is childish, then you better rethink all your opinions about just about everything you believe in.
-OC
Have it your way.
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