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Sunday, November 19, 2006

Say It Again... Most Palestinians Don't Agree With Terrorism...?

Hundreds of Palestinians form human shield to protect militant's home from airstrike

Hundreds of Palestinians formed a human shield around the home of Mohammedweil Baroud, commander of the Salah a-Din Brigades - the military wing of the Popular Resistance Committees - in the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahiya late Saturday to prevent an Israeli airstrike on the building, residents said.

People flocked to the home after he received a warning from the army late Saturday giving him 30 minutes to leave the house, in order to avoid casualties. The crowd chanted anti-Israel and anti-American slogans, and people said they were prepared to give their lives to protect the home. "Yes to martyrdom. No to surrender," the crowd chanted. (AP, Ali Waked)

Yes, you're right. Palestinians don't use or get used as human shields. Oh yeah, and Israel is willingly and wantonly trying to kill non-combatants. Yeah, you're absolutely correct.

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At 9:14 PM, Blogger Behemoth101 said...

You know well that one example indicates nothing about the whole of the IDF.

At 9:28 PM, Blogger Oleh Yahshan said...

Oh you mean, that the IDF are all a bunch of blood-thirsty 18-21 year old killers and war-mongers? Sure, you're right. This doesn't prove a damn thing, but your one little sentence says a lot about what you think.

At 9:20 AM, Blogger Behemoth101 said...

It says about what I know not to be necessarily true.

At 12:27 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

IF you know that, than prove it. Don't just throw accusations out. If you know that Israeli soldiers are wantonly and barbarically murdering Palestinians, start listing the cases. But, don't you dare think that you can come here, call an entire group of people murderers, and think you won't be taken to task for it.

At 1:30 PM, Blogger Behemoth101 said...

I did not say that in this post.

I simply said that you cannot assume from one instance of IDF's morality that they are NECESSARILY moral ALL the time.

At 6:25 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

No person is moral ALL the time. We're human. We're all fallible. I have NEVER claimed that the IDF is moral all the time. That would be a ridiculous claim. Are you so high and mighty that you think you are moral ALL the time? Do you think you have some special right, ability, or experience to judge other people, especially those in uniform? When's the last time you were in a combat situation? When's the last time you faced death in the face and not completely sure whether you were going to live or die and had a split second to decide whether the person you're screaming at to stop and is continuing to come at you has a weapon or not that could kill you? Tell me, what the hell gives you the right to judge these boys and girls?

You did NOT say that. You're qualifying your sentence with astericks here. In response to my post, you said It says about what I know not to be necessarily true. So, what's not necessarily true? You're talking about my saying that "Israel is willingly and wantonly trying to kill non-combatants." If you're going to say that's not necessarily true, than you better start listing the cases that make a pattern that proves that the IDF is willing and wantonly trying to kill non-combatants. You better start listing those cases that proves that this case of morality is an anomaly rather than the norm. Again, don't think you can come here, throw accusations around, and not get demanded that you explain your words with proof. I deal in facts, not merely opinions based on prejudices. Oh yeah, and Wikipedia doesn't count.

At 7:06 AM, Blogger Behemoth101 said...

Just because "no person is moral all the time" doesn't make it right to kill innocents. You're equivocating.

At 7:52 AM, Blogger shlemazl said...

I thought it was a terrific illustration that even Palestinians themselves don't believe the "bloodthirsty IOF" type libel that they constantly spew out and spread all over western mass media.

Otherwise it would have been totally counterproductive to even attempt the human shield tactics. Surely the IDF should have rejoiced at the opportunity to kill more "innocent Palestinian civilians"?

At 3:01 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

No, Behemoth, I am NOT equivocating. You are stating, WITHOUT PROOF, that there is a pattern of wantonly killing and murdering non-combatants. No person is moral all the time. That would be impossible, but you have given NO proof that there is a pattern of collusion and willingness to murder non-combatants. STOP making excuses and try to drag this out. If your next statement doesn't include cases and proof that there is some sort of pattern or policy that proves that the IDF is wantonly murdering non-combatants and are not moral, than DON'T bother answering. or making another comment.

I couldn't care less what your personal prejudices are, but if you can't back them up here, don't bother commenting. We won't allow it, and you look exactly what you are; prejudiced and hate filled. Oh yeah, and extremely uneducated.

Shlemazl, see, you're a logical and intelligent person. You saw through the garbage and rhetoric to see through to the point. If the IDF routinely conducted wanton killing of non-combatants, than the Palestinians using themselves as human shields wouldn't have worked. They would have known that the IDF would have killed them any-way. If only the lefties of the world, like Behemoth, would get their head out of their hate spewing butts and actually face the facts.

At 1:23 PM, Blogger tafka PP said...

Hi OC,

If only the lefties of the world, like Behemoth, would get their head out of their hate spewing butts and actually face the facts.

Is that supposed to be a less "hate-spewing" comment?!

I also saw a comment you left for me on Jameel's blog on a similar theme. You obviously have a very firm view of the issues surrounding Human Shields, and I bear another perspective, I think you told me I was "incorrect in my thinking"

Anyway- I don't know how "Chadasha" you actually are, but I would tell you that one thing I have learned living here is that there are no absolute truths as to either this region or this conflict. Strong beliefs are one thing -and very admirable- but they shouldn't ever be confused with possession of full facts: Testament to the complexity of the regional situation is that it remains unresolved.



At 2:36 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Tafka, I appreciate you pointing that out to me. You're correct. That was hateful, and I apologize for my statement, Behemoth. It was uncalled for.

Tafka, I have to disagree with you on one thing, though. There are rare instances where absolute truths apply, and I wouldn't categorize the situation here as falling into that category. However, there is such a thing as fact, and there are many instances here that fall into that category regardless of perception and interpretation. The case of the peace activists fall into the category of being unethical and fact regardless of their perception of reality. There is such a thing as objective reality, and they don't have it.

At 7:11 PM, Blogger tafka PP said...

You are right, at this point, they probably don't have much of an objective view of the conflict. But that's not to say they will always stay that way- there is hope. I say this having spent a lot of time with such activists over the years, who come in with an agenda and leave confused as to the validity of "Facts" (a little like that video you posted a while back)

At 3:34 PM, Blogger Olah Chadasha said...

Tafka, which video are you referring to? I've posted many.


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