Ridiculous Comment of the Iraq War
On last night's Hannity & Colmes, Alan Colmes made a comment that the husband pointed out as completely ridiculous. It's a comment that has been used by the Democrats throughout the Iraq War in a digusting attempt to pretend they support the troops while constantly undermining them.
In response to Mark Levin's comment on how Democrats don't just NOT support the troops, they call them baby killers, terrorizers, and worse than the terrorists that brought them there, Alan Colmes said that he and the democracts support the troops by saying that they "want the troops out of harm's way". Before I go on, can you, the audience point out the obviousness ridiculousness of that statement?!? He wants the military out of harm's way, and that's how he supports them.
Last time I checked, it was exactly the JOB of the troops TO GET IN HARM'S WAY!! This is the analogy that the husband made that makes perfect sense. Should we fight to stop firefighters from going into burning buildings? That's dangerous. They're putting themselves in harm's way. Should we fight to stop police officers from trying to stop crimes, especially violent crimes where they could get themselves killed? They're putting themselves in harm's way. Here's the point. THEY'VE CHOSEN TO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY!! The American military is an all volunteer force. Everyone who is in there has CHOSEN to be there, with the full knowledge that they may be asked to put themselves in danger, and at the extreme, DIE for their country. They know this! A military's job isn't to get their nails done, or do "peace keeping", Even if it was, "peace keeping" is still dangerous, and you could still get yourself killed doing it.
To say that you want the troops out of harm's way is NOT supporting them, it's being completely ridiculous. If you really support the troops, you DON'T call them terrorizers, baby killers, or worse than the terrorists. If you don't support what they're fighting for, you support them by, either, shutting the hell up, or by just thanking them for doing a job that you won't do. I'll only say this once. Dissent is NOT the greatest form of patriotism. FIGHTING for and even DYING for your country is the greatest form of patriotism.
PUTTING YOURSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY'S BELIEFS AND CORE VALUES, THE VERY THINGS IT WAS FOUNDED ON; FIGHTING TO KEEP THE VERY POPULATION THAT CALLS YOU A BABY KILLER, SAFE IS THE GREATEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM. When you live in a country with free speech, it takes no risk to yourself to speak out against government policy. Nobody's going to come and arrest you or torture you for your speech and dissent. How can some-one say that dissent is the greatest form of patriotism when they live in country that guarantees free speech? No, it's just a ploy for the socialists and leftists to play the absolute moral authority card when they stand up and spit on the troops and call them the worst terrorists in the world. It's simply a tactic to look legitimate while smearing crap all of the very people ensuring that they can CONTINUE to smear crap on them in FREEDOM!
In response to Mark Levin's comment on how Democrats don't just NOT support the troops, they call them baby killers, terrorizers, and worse than the terrorists that brought them there, Alan Colmes said that he and the democracts support the troops by saying that they "want the troops out of harm's way". Before I go on, can you, the audience point out the obviousness ridiculousness of that statement?!? He wants the military out of harm's way, and that's how he supports them.
Last time I checked, it was exactly the JOB of the troops TO GET IN HARM'S WAY!! This is the analogy that the husband made that makes perfect sense. Should we fight to stop firefighters from going into burning buildings? That's dangerous. They're putting themselves in harm's way. Should we fight to stop police officers from trying to stop crimes, especially violent crimes where they could get themselves killed? They're putting themselves in harm's way. Here's the point. THEY'VE CHOSEN TO PUT THEMSELVES IN HARM'S WAY!! The American military is an all volunteer force. Everyone who is in there has CHOSEN to be there, with the full knowledge that they may be asked to put themselves in danger, and at the extreme, DIE for their country. They know this! A military's job isn't to get their nails done, or do "peace keeping", Even if it was, "peace keeping" is still dangerous, and you could still get yourself killed doing it.
To say that you want the troops out of harm's way is NOT supporting them, it's being completely ridiculous. If you really support the troops, you DON'T call them terrorizers, baby killers, or worse than the terrorists. If you don't support what they're fighting for, you support them by, either, shutting the hell up, or by just thanking them for doing a job that you won't do. I'll only say this once. Dissent is NOT the greatest form of patriotism. FIGHTING for and even DYING for your country is the greatest form of patriotism.
PUTTING YOURSELVES IN HARM'S WAY TO DEFEND YOUR COUNTRY'S BELIEFS AND CORE VALUES, THE VERY THINGS IT WAS FOUNDED ON; FIGHTING TO KEEP THE VERY POPULATION THAT CALLS YOU A BABY KILLER, SAFE IS THE GREATEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM. When you live in a country with free speech, it takes no risk to yourself to speak out against government policy. Nobody's going to come and arrest you or torture you for your speech and dissent. How can some-one say that dissent is the greatest form of patriotism when they live in country that guarantees free speech? No, it's just a ploy for the socialists and leftists to play the absolute moral authority card when they stand up and spit on the troops and call them the worst terrorists in the world. It's simply a tactic to look legitimate while smearing crap all of the very people ensuring that they can CONTINUE to smear crap on them in FREEDOM!
posted by Olah Chadasha @ 7/27/2007 08:18:00 AM
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Now, now, now... calm down!
Firstly, US "debate" re. the Iraq war has yielded the most venomous name-calling on BOTH sides of the fence, it's hardly the prerogative of one side or the other. Those who didn't (and still don't) support the war have been (and continue to be called) anything from traitors to the "fifth column".
Secondly, your husband's hissy fit comes largely from misinterpretation of Colmes' words. Sure, those that choose a military career know that they may be sent into harm's way but does that mean that any military operation is justified at any time and at any cost [in terms of blood and treasure]? Does the Pentagon not carry out risk/gain assessments for operations, like any other military command in the rest of the world?
Is it not reasonable (but debatable) to say that the coalition forces in Iraq are also part of the problem and that sooner or later Iraq will have to be left to its own devices, for better or for worse?
The most likely outcome of course will be that the US stays longer than is useful, then withdraws out of battle fatigue and disillusionment with the lack of results. This withdrawal can come sooner rather than later or the US can wait for the inevitable tipping point...
Excuse, what did you say about my husband? I won't answer any pathetic thing you have to say when you try to demean my husband. You are ignorant. Was that offensive?
Olah: the husband made a good point. I wonder whether this guy(whom I've heard little about not having watched almost any t.v. while on vacation in Prague and besides I don't like listening to the Ayalon/Beilin types accross the pond) was thinking straight while making that comment. The husband is right: it was completely ridiculous of him to say that.
I do agree with Gert that both sides have been making some way-out accussations which make one ponder: are these people sane???
Take care for now!
Dear me. Why was what I said offensive? And can't your husband speak for himself?
Okay then, replace : Secondly, your husband's hissy fit comes [...] with Secondly, your husband's reaction comes [...].
Now do you have anything to say? And why am I ignorant? If so, please enlighten me...
Thanks for proving my point, gert.
OC:
You said:
I'll only say this once. Dissent is NOT the greatest form of patriotism. FIGHTING for and even DYING for your country is the greatest form of patriotism.
Thanks for saying it. Dissent is not necessarily unpatriotic, but too many dissenters these days are crossing the line.
Can we get back to constructive discussion...maybe!?
Michael, you're right. I wasn't implying that dissent isn't a form of patriotism, but these guys go out and preach that dissent is the GREATEST form of patriotism. It isn't. It comes a distant second to fighting, defending, and even dying for your country.
-OC
Olah, your intransigence makes you sound ridiculous.
Gert, your ignorance does the same for you.
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